Friday File: Best Picks of the Past 17 Years… Plus a Tale of Two Growth Stocks

by Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe | July 19, 2024 5:07 pm

Some musings on teaser history, plus a look at the relative valuation of a couple of our growth stocks

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    trigell
    July 19, 2024 8:10 pm
    I always enjoy your Friday articles. Thank you.
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      πŸ‘ 22306
      July 19, 2024 9:03 pm
      Thanks for reading!
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    valentinoamoro
    July 19, 2024 10:22 pm
    Stock Advisors near 6x outperformance over SPY since inception is wild. They buy 24 stocks a year, and sell approx 8 to 10. The method requires buying a ton of stocks over time and new cash flow to invest in new ones. Not sure what, if any, other flaws there are in their approach. They do pay a premium for stocks all the time, but they dont seem as concerned with win rate, rather as you indicated skew.
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      xyzzy
      July 19, 2024 11:19 pm
      A big part of Motley Fool's success was in the earlier years (even going back to the late 90's) where they had huuuuuuge wins. Don't think the last 5-10 years they have distinguished themselves, except somewhat negatively.
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        valentinoamoro
        July 20, 2024 3:22 am
        Yeah, the picks have def underperformed the SPX for awhile - but better than most I would guess. The SPX and NDX has been on a serious tear.Overall def way less scammy than most "advisories". In general, I think the only folk who have outperformed SPX has been those concentrated in a few lucky positions.I personally use my own system and use Stock Advisor and Travis as my go-to. Travis is the deal, been here since 2011 or so!!!
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    devropr9591
    July 20, 2024 10:44 am
    Travis, thank you for the wonderful discussion around ISGR and EVO. Especially the question about when to buy a great company.With SeΓ±or Munger’s passing I’ve used this year to concentrate on several investing questions: 1 . What is a great company/investment/ 2. When to buy it? 3. How much to buy.Regarding #2 and #3 I think Charlie has given us great insights and counsel. 1 . Be willing to buy a great company and a fair or good price. This is not β€œbuy a great company at any price just because it is great. I’ll elaborate my findings on this shortly. 2. When Mr. Market offers a great company at a discount buy aggressively, very aggressively. This is, for me, perhaps the hardest of these three. Conventional wisdom, financial advice, is to be diversified, limiting any one investment to 3, 4,or 5%. The mental game I use to get somewhere towards Charlie & Warren’s high concentration portfolio is ask myself a simple question, β€œWould I want to own 100% of this business ?” I find this quickly separates good businesses which I’ll invest in for a year or two from those I want to hold as long as possible,; hopefully, for the rest of my life.Back to the question you raised. When to buy a great company? Anytime or wait. As you correctly note both can work, but they are not equal. I’ll borrow your two company comparison method:Company A: Mastercard. Price AGR (PAGR) = 24.7% (this the long term linear regression PAGR which eliminates short term over/under pricing) Divd Yield: 0.6% Divd AGR (DAGR): 16.2% Reversion to Mean price (R2Me): 41% which means the current price 41% below its long term trend line.Company B: KLAC PAGR: 24.3% Divd yld: 0.7% DAGR: 13.8% R2Me: -33% = current price is 33% above the long term trend line.A quick comment about R2Me. I know this is anathema to many investors. To me it is the simply embracing the old adage that the market is short term voting machine and a long term weighing machine. It does not hold true for all companies, especially companies that are broken, have no moat, bad mgt, etc. or have had a fundamental change in the business model such as GE Aerospace.Back to the analysis. Both companies have very similar long term PAGR, dividends, and DAGR profiles. I can argue that KLAC has a better moat than MA. But assuming they maintain their long term businesses we find the expected returns using PAGR, dividend growth, and R2Me to be:MA: 3yr: 38%, 5yr: 33%, 7 yr: 31%, 10 yr: 31% KLAC: 3yr: 13%, 5yr: 18%, 7yr: 20%, 10 yr: 23%The difference after ten years is MA grows 14.9x and KLAC grows 7.9x. For me waiting is baking in a margin of safety. If I have to wait 1, 2, or 3 years to build KLAC I will. Knowing there are a sufficient number of discounted stocks today helps me avoid artificially decreasing returns do to impatience.Travis, your consistently stating buy below and strong buys are great reminders to think about what is fair price, a great price, and when to wait. Thanks.
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      πŸ‘ 22306
      July 20, 2024 11:04 am
      Thanks! I like your system, whatever helps to develop some personal discipline around buying can really help over time.Part of the reason for putting actual buy prices in writing is to provide a shorthand for that analysis later on, when the market might be crashing and you wouldn't feel like buying. Having a buy price written down provides a reason to cheer a downturn, and "think greedy" at a time when it's usually very hard to have that mindset.
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        devropr9591
        July 20, 2024 6:06 pm
        Excellent reminder about framing a down turn as an opportunity.Many years ago I read an interview with i believe David Dremen. His advise was to learn one system very well rather than jump from one to another to another. You understand the nuances of your system and I understand this one.I have pretty good idea when R2Me doesn’t apply. Another part of my analysis is determining how many standard deviations a stock price is from its historical trend. When it approaches 2 stdev below the trend line it signals a deep discount. But it also alerts me to ask is the stock mispriced or is the company really broke.One last thing. Looking at long term 15-20 year charts reveals that stocks can be over or under priced for years before reverting to mean. And they can trade sideways longer than what seems reasonable. It reminds me everyday Mr Market can not only be off, but off for long periods of time.Have a great weekend.
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          πŸ‘ 22306
          July 22, 2024 9:44 am
          Very wise. The less we write things down and rely on a process or a system or some kind of set of rules, the more likely we are to have emotional reactions to the market -- at just the worst time.
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            12 monkeys
            August 24, 2024 4:51 pm
            My one billionaire friend told me "There is an old saying on Wall St.--BUY when there is blood on the streets." This advice was just what I needed to hear when the brief "Covid Crash" in the Spring of 2020 saw even all the best stocks (APPL MSFT etc.) crash by 20-40%. I had just inherited a good chunk of cash--so I took his advice and bought the multi-trillion stocks for bargain prices.
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            πŸ‘ 22306
            August 24, 2024 8:51 pm
            Good advice, hard to follow... originally credited to Baron Rothschild a couple hundred years ago, I believe, but frequently repeated by Warren Buffett.
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    longbeachboy
    July 20, 2024 12:55 pm
    Regarding Intuitive Surgical have you looked at Vicarious Surgical? Symbol RBOT. Regarding Nvidia and photonics, Have you looked at Poet Technologies Symbol POET? Thanks Robert
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      Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe
      July 24, 2024 4:05 pm
      Don't know them super well, but I took a look -- here's my thinking:I would be surprised if Vicarious Surgical (RBOT) has any chance of getting through approval and selling a meaningful number of their single-port surgical robot systems -- Intuitive has a similar product already that's ramping up sales, in addition to their core da Vinci systems, and they have much more marketing and manufacturing might. Never say never, a disruptor can always emerge -- but I think the odds of success are every low for RBOT. Many have made similar attempts, none have really ever succeeded in building a meaningful installed base. They have $80 million in cash and no debt, so they're trading at much less than cash right now... but they're also burning about $50 million in cash on their R&D, and won't start their first clinical trial for their first version of the robot until next year, most likely, so investors are probably wise to drive the stock down to a "less than cash" valuation. The competition from Medtronic is much more likely to be "real" for ISRG, and could put some pressure on margins in the next couple years, but will probably take many years to really impact market share even if Medtronic's Hugo is well received.And on your other one... readers have been urging me to look at (or buy) Poet Technologies POET) for maybe a decade, based on their impressive innovation in optics (developing photonic-on-chip devices to speed up data centers, basically). They say they're launching the commercial version of their optical interposer this year and expect sales next year, and if that's true it might well quickly scale up to being worthwhile... particularly because they don't need a capital investment in manufacturing, they've outsourced that to a Chinese LED fab. The challenge for me is that they were heavily sold as a startup developing a prototype that was almost ready for orders back in 2015, and they were also a year from commercial sales in 2021. It does look to me like they've made impressive progress, but with little technology startups like this I've learned to wait until real revenue growth proves that it's more than just impressive presentations and optimism. I'd rather miss out on the first jump as the company becomes "real" than keep buying an R&D project in the years before it proves its got a viable product that will be accepted by customers and see rising demand.I know a lot of folks like to "get in early" on these kind of small technology disruptors, and that can occasionally lead to spectacular penny stock returns, so I don't blame folks for being tempted, or even for choosing to bet on some of these ideas from time to time... I get it. But I also try to resist, and keep any little speculations in these kinds of ideas very small at times when I can't resist entirely, because I see so very many of them pitched every year , and I know that the odds of success are very low, especially for folks who aren't really expert in that sector or niche (I've got a LOT of areas where I'm far from being an expert). In general, I find that it's too easy to get sucked in to companies that sound impressive, with cool "just about ready" technology, but for whatever reason are aren't able to get through the door with customers and generate actual sales, and end up going through reverse mergers and continuing to sell more and more shares to keep the dream alive and keep pushing the boulder up the hill. Bruised and battered, I try to remind myself to be a "wait for actual revenue" investor.
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        frankw17
        July 24, 2024 8:18 pm
        Travis, virtually everyone who has been following you for any length of time would indeed appreciate your approach described in the last paragraph above. Furthermore, my guess is that the # of members who have dropped their subscription since you started this service is very small! Regards, Frank
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          Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe
          July 24, 2024 9:54 pm
          You're very kind, Frank! Yes, I'm grateful that so many folks have stuck with us for so long -- we've still got many of the first wave of paid subscribers on board from 2007 and 2008. Gotta start planning a 20th anniversary party!The more, the merrier, tell your friends :)
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    Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe
    July 24, 2024 3:07 pm
    Trade Note: The last of my partial stop-loss trades on NVIDIA (NVDA) tripped during today's downturn, so that position has now been reduced, with more profits taken near $115.That results in selling roughly a third of my NVDA holdings over the past month or so, at an average price of about $120 per share. My intention is to let it ride for quite a while from here, since that reduces my risk exposure to this high flyer to a level I can more easily tolerate... even with a very rich valuation, huge expectations baked in, and great uncertainty as to when/if their margins might begin to "normalize" and when/if demand will drop a little bit, which could further pressure the shares... eventually. No idea what the results or the investor reaction will be for this next quarter, which they won't report until late August.As I've noted before, I haven't managed the trading of my NVIDIA position very well over the past six or seven years, in retrospect (I sold some shares at much lower levels in 2019 and early 2023), so there's no particular reason to follow my lead here, I do not have my pulse on the finger of NVIDIA shareholder sentiment... but, of course, it's been such a barn-burner over the past year that it has still been an extremely profitable investment.This clears out the stop loss orders I had in place, and releases some of the pressure in my mind, and I'll be willing to tolerate more volatility for what is now a much smaller position. I think it's probable that NVIDIA will have a major valuation reset at some point over the next couple years, but I don't know when -- and by "probable" I mean maybe 70% likely, not 95%. Maybe they'll double again before that happens, we'll see how it shakes out.I also nibbled on a few more shares of both Celsius (CELH, near $46) and Atkore (ATKR, near $135) as those stocks fell today, though neither of those purchases were big enough to warrant a Trade Note on their own. More to follow on Friday on these stocks, as well as lots of other earnings news from our companies...
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    Alfred
    July 24, 2024 11:19 pm
    I "am old. i have low vision. Don't own any of these stocks ,90% of my investments are mutual funds.. i don't have any new money to invest, own 7 stocks and sometime sell one to buy a new one. i read only the quick take it give me some idea about the market and your way of thinking. Thanks for your expertise. your honesty and everithing you do for Gumshoe. ALFRED
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      πŸ‘ 22306
      July 25, 2024 8:30 am
      Thanks Alfred!
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    rsouthar
    July 27, 2024 10:06 am
    Continued ads stating how to aquire regular money from social security and non taxable and the amount is dependant on your investment but information available after signing up for $49 subscription etc.
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      July 27, 2024 10:48 am
      Which newsletter is pitching that? There have been several teases that sound similar over the years. Could be anything from publicly traded partnerships or muni bonds to tax liens.

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