“The Five Stocks to Buy and Hold Forever”

by Travis Johnson, Stock Gumshoe | March 19, 2015 3:28 pm

What five stocks is Chris Mayer putting in his "Coffee Can" portfolio to buy and hold?

I’ve heard Chris Mayer[1] talk about his “Coffee Can” strategy before, but this new way that Agora[2] is marketing it caught my eye:

“Investing tips for the couch potato

“This has got to be the laziest investment strategy out there today.

“Imagine investing in stocks and coming back 10 years later to discover your money has multiplied.”

You’re probably not as lazy as I am, so perhaps that doesn’t jump out at you — but man, there’s nothing better than having your money multiply without having to do anything.

And, really, academic studies continue to find that investors are our own worst enemies — nothing hurts your eventual 401(k) balance like spending your 30s, 40s and 50s “tweaking” your account to buy and sell stocks or funds as you see the market changing. Humans are terrible at predicting the behavior and direction of markets, all humans — I think the most important differentiation among investors is not their skill at forecasting, but their emotional resolve to avoid being swayed by the headlines and the daily market chatter.

Which is hard, because here I am, writing a daily note to a few thousand of my closest friends about money and investing. And, frankly, it’s quite likely true that writing about my investments and about the investment hype spewed out by the newsletter industry for you every day makes me a worse investor. Studying the market daily, watching those ticker symbols blink green and red, and reading hundreds of investing articles a day gives you an almost overwhelming urge to act, even when the more sage advice for most people would almost always be, “don’t do something, just sit there.”

So in that vein, I thought I’d look into what Chris Mayer is now teasing as his “Coffee Can” stocks. The Coffee Can strategy is more or less just “buy and hold” — you take five stocks, buy them now, and do not look at them or pay any attention to them for five or ten years or more, bury them in a metaphorical (or real, if necessary) coffee[3] can in your back yard. Then come dig ’em up in 2020 and see how they did. If you picked solid companies, and you’re not otherwise an expert trader who consistently beats the market (some do — but be honest with yourself), then those coffee can stocks will probably have appreciated more than whatever else you were doing with your investing during that time period. And without any angst or panic.

Whether they’ll do better than the S&P 500 or some other broad market index, well, who knows — lots of stocks are above average, so it’s certainly possible.

Or, of course, you could be the poor sap who picks three companies that go nowhere and two that go bankrupt. It’s not a perfect system.

This broad strategy is not shocking, of course — we’ve all heard of buy and hold. But it puts the onus on you to choose stocks in which you have extraordinary confidence, and to resist questioning yourself once you’ve done your analysis and made your decisions. Can you do it? I have a few stocks that have been “buy and hold” for me for ten years or more, though I can’t say that I’ve avoided fretting about them.

So… let’s move on and see which stocks Mayer is actually recommending for that “coffee can”… and, to be fair, I should note that although this ad has hit my inbox a few times in the last week, the text of it may well be a year or two old… which shouldn’t make us fret if we’re holding forever, I suppose, but might mean these aren’t currently Mayer’s most actionable ideas. Often, ideas are promoted by publishers long after they cease being the favorite pick of a particular pundit.

“In my search to find the very best stocks for the “Coffee Can Portfolio,” I narrowed down the list to five specifics. Let me tell you a little about each one here…

“COFFEE CAN STOCK #1: Profit From the Fire Sale of the Century

“It’s no secret that we’ve just witnessed the biggest real estate[4] bust of our lifetimes. Banks lent too much money to people who had no chance at paying it back.

“Now, in an effort to shore up their balance sheets, the banks are desperate for cash… and they’re unloading their real estate portfolios for mere cents on the dollar.

“Luckily, there’s one company there to take advantage of this fire sale. And it’s the first company I recommend you buy and store away for safekeeping.

“Shares of this company have nearly tripled since going public a few years ago. But I believe we’re still in the early stages of this winning play.

“It’s a ‘done for you’ way to turn the crisis of the 2008 meltdown in housing into opportunity — without having to become a landlord and without having to fix a single leaky toilet.

“If you buy it and store it away, my guess is that you’ll come back to find that it’s multiplied your money.”

That is very similar to a “Coffee Can” stock pitch he made a couple years ago — but there’s a bit of a twist, since I guessed wrong last time I looked at it and have since learned more about Mayer’s portfolios and ideas by seeing him at a few conferences. This is almost certainly Kennedy Wilson (KW)[5], which is a distressed real-estate buyer and operator that did indeed make a big move to snap up real estate assets after the downturn, and has been buying pretty relentlessly ever since. They haven’t posted a lot in the way of earnings or cash flow, since they’ve been such active buyers, but the stock’s rise over recent years can generally be explained by an increase in their tangible book value per share, which has doubled in five years (and shrunk over the past year) and an increase in investor interest, as represented by the premium that investors have been willing to pay over that tangible value — back in 2011 they were trading at about 1.5X tangible book, now they’re closing in on 3X tangible book.

This is a high quality company, with strong insider ownership and a proven ability to buy property and increase its value, and they have a very large exposure to European real estate that they’ve been buying in recent years — they even started a separate London-listed company, Kennedy Wilson Europe Real Estate (KWE in London, KWERF on the pink sheets), to fund more acquisitions across Europe, where the need of banks to offload real estate and shore up their balance sheets in the last couple years has been much more severe than it’s recently been in the US. I think I might be a bit more tempted by Kennedy Wilson Europe right now as an opportunistic buy, since it’s trading at very close to Net Asset Value per share and has had a strong start in their first year as a separate publicly traded real estate fund, but with that you’re essentially buying a concentrated portfolio of UK and Irish real estate so it’s certainly much riskier than the parent Kennedy-Wilson. If you’re really thinking “coffee can” and you’re not going to look at it for five or ten years, then probably papa KW is far safer than the European property group — it’s just not particularly inexpensive right now. Last year, when Mayer presented at the Value Investing Congress[6],he suggested that Kennedy Wilson Europe should provide returns of 10-15% annually

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Next for the can?

“COFFEE CAN STOCK #2: Get Paid FOUR Times the Average Savings Rate

“Our next Coffee Can recommendation also takes advantage of the busted real estate markets.

“But instead of housing, this next company picks up distressed retail locations on the cheap.

“It’s a great forever stock to own because it’s a safe company that holds little to no debt.

“They’re in a firm uptrend, having almost doubled since going public.

“And simply holding the stock pays a steady dividend that’s more than FOUR TIMES what Americans are receiving in their savings account.

“Buy it. Store it away in your Coffee Can. And watch it compound.”

That’s obviously not enough to give you a definitive name, not based on those clues — but I can cheat a little bit, because I know Chris Mayer’s fondness for owner-operators and have seen him present on one retail oriented REIT before, one that did indeed launch as a way to buy “distressed” West Coast shopping centers… so I’ll bet that Mayer here is again suggesting Retail Opportunity Investments Corp (ROIC), which has almost doubled since going public in 2010.

ROIC is also a stock I own and have written about many times. The safe-and-stable part of it that would make me pretty confident to “own and ignore” it is that they have a strong, well-connected management team that has large insider ownership and a CEO in Stuart Tanz who has “done it before” in building (and in his previous company, selling at a stiff premium) a portfolio of shopping centers. It’s not cheap right now, either, but I’ve been holding it for essentially its whole life as a public company and enjoying the compounding dividends[8], and I wouldn’t mind holding it for a decade more — they are growing the dividend nicely, they are reasonably valued, they own low-risk real estate… what’s not to like?

Well, there is that whole “REITs[9] get clobbered when interest rates spike up” fear — but it turns out, for most traditional REITs (like those that actually own property — not mortgage REITs), rising interest rates are not necessarily a bad thing in the long term. That’s largely because rising interest rates generally come at a time when inflation is rising, and real estate has historically kept up with inflation. That’s what keeps me from loading up on several other REITs that I also like at these relatively high prices (valuations are on the top end of where REITs typically trade, though they’re not wildly out of line by any means), the assumption that… sometime… the Fed or the market is going to give us an interest rate panic, send the 10-year bond back up to 3%, and REITs and pretty much all other income equities will fall by 10-20% and create a nice buying opportunity.

It might not happen, but I can dream — I’m certainly holding my ROIC, and I’ve seen some bullish assessments of the company even at these prices (like Brad Thomas[10], who writes about Real Estate for Forbes[11] and Seeking Alpha[12] and pitched it as a “buy before it gets acquired” stock[13]), but with REITs in general on the expensive side and with ROIC itself priced at a bit of a premium to the retail/shopping center REIT group I’d much rather do a big buy on this one when the group is getting washed out a bit. That said, the last time I added to this position was about two years ago… so I may be being a bit too patient. On the positive side, they own largely “necessity retail” (centers anchored by grocery stores, pharmacies, etc.) that they buy at good off-market prices because of the connections and market knowledge of Tanz and his team… and they have a substantially more conservative balance sheet than most of their competitors, so they do have flexibility to keep growing (as they have been, with steady property buys) and no real pressure from debt maturities in the near future.

ROIC management has given guidance for growth of 4-9% in FFO (funds from operation — the REIT equivalent of “earnings” that ignores depreciation and asset purchases/sales) per share in 2015, which is pretty good, and should allow for continued gradual dividend growth, but it’s not spectacular or sexy. There’s no real reason for the stock to go down other than the fact that it’s a REIT, it yields a little less than 4% but is owned primarily for that yield, and I suspect we’ll see better buying opportunities in the group soon.

Next?

“COFFEE CAN STOCK #3: Turn Every $5,000 into $12,256

“The third company I’d like to show you is one of the world’s most mysterious investment opportunities…

“Management holds no conference calls. They don’t do corporate presentations.

“What they do instead is run a solid company and not take any big risks. They just keep piling up value per share as if they were laying bricks, building to impressive heights over time.

“And here’s perhaps the most amazing fact: Insiders in the company own more than 44% of the entire company. So by buying alongside them, you’re in good company.

“According to my research, I believe this company could earn 9%, year after year — safely compounding an initial $5,000 stake into more than $12,000 over the next 10 years.”

There aren’t a lot of good, “coffee can worthy” companies that have insider ownership levels that high — mostly you’re talking about founder-controlled startups, biotechs, very volatile or levered or commodity-based stocks, or companies that have just been re-floated by private equity or otherwise have something strange going on. Who’s this one? Well, with those clues I confess to not having found the answer yet… I’ll keep looking, but don’t want to delay sharing the other solutions with you while I ponder (if you’ve got a good answer from your own Thinkolator, well, toss it on the pile). Mayer does generally like a lot of small banks (he was a banker when he started his newsletter), and there are some with huge insider ownership, but I’m not so great at analyzing banks. Will let you know if I find an answer.

Moving on.

“COFFEE CAN STOCK #4: How to Buy the Company That Holds 20 Acres of Prime Maui Real Estate… At NO COST on Their Balance Sheet

“Our next recommendation comes from a spin off of America’s largest owner of mall properties. And here’s the thing…

“Despite being worth millions, some of their properties are carried on the company’s financial statement at NO COST, creating a huge market anomaly in their share price.

“Other properties are carried well below their market cost.

“Each creates huge hidden opportunity in the balance sheet of this company. And don’t just take that from me.”

This one is Howard Hughes Corp (HHC)[14], the “odd” property owner spun out of General Growth Properties when it went through bankruptcy a few years ago, including a lot of the assets of the Rouse companies that didn’t fit in with the GGP mall properties. Bill Ackman[15] at Pershing Square[16] was instrumental in this spinout, and is Chair of HHC, and Pershing owns about 10% of the company. It has done extraordinarily well, doubling about every two years since becoming independent in 2011 on the strength of revitalized planned communities, renovation and rebuilding projects, and, well, several “name brand” value investors who are quite in love with the stock and talk about it a lot (including Bill Ackman[17], Whitney Tilson[18], Chris Mayer, and others I’m not thinking of at the moment).

They do own many valuable projects and potential projects, including the old South Street Seaport in Manhattan that’s being redeveloped as the “Seaport District,” trophy assets in downtown Honolulu, master planned communities in Houston, Maryland and Las Vegas where sales activity picked up dramatically last year. You can check out their presentation of 2014 results and 2015 plans here[19]. They have some tremendous opportunity from their four key projects (the Woodlands in Houston, Summerlin in Las Vegas, The Ward Centers in Honolulu, and South St. Seaport in NY), and many of their assets are really “trophy” properties that should always hold substantial value — I’m comfortable letting my Pershing Square Holdings holdings give me exposure to Howard Hughes Corp., and I’ve never bought this one personally, but analysts think they’ll be profitable this year and they are now making the transition to being a developer and owner of income-generating properties instead of just a “land bank,” so if the economy stays generally strong for the next decade in Las Vegas, Houston and Hawaii the prospects are probably very good for HHC.

And no, I wouldn’t overthink that Maui ranch property. I assume they still own it, and like a few other odds and ends it’s carried at low cost on their books, but it’s not going to drive their returns and it’s not like Howard Hughes is trading at a steep discount to book value — the shares are now at close to 3X book, so investors have realized over the years that the properties are worth substantially more than their carrying value. Their 60 acres between downtown Honolulu and the beach (Ward Centers/Ward Village, being redeveloped as a master planned community) are a far bigger deal when it comes to their Hawaii assets.

“COFFEE CAN STOCK #5: A Billionaire’s Tax Shelter That YOU Can Use, Too

“You’re probably aware that the Cayman Islands have been a tax shelter for the rich and famous for years now.

“Mail Online reports that Mitt Romney holds ‘millions of dollars of his massive fortune saved in offshore tax shelters in the Cayman Islands.’

“Of course, the former presidential candidate isn’t alone. According to CBS, ‘The world’s tax havens house anywhere from $21 trillion to $32 trillion in money that governments cannot tax.’

“Now, I don’t like to use the word ‘loophole’ much. But there’s really no other way to describe this final Coffee Can stock…

“It gives you a loophole inside the tax shelter of the billionaires.

“Not only that, you’ll have one of the world’s best investors managing this pile of money. So you’ve got growth… that’s hidden from taxes… all with just one click of your mouse.”

Hoodat? Thinkolator sez that here he’s teasing David Einhorn[20]’s Greenlight Capital Re (GLRE)[21], another stock I own. Apparently I’m pretty simpatico with Chris Mayer on a lot of these things. Greenlight Re is a Cayman Islands reinsurance company (think “wholesale insurance” — they sell coverage to primary insurers), and it is a real reinsurance company and has decent performance on that side of the business… but the value of the stock is driven by the other side of the business, the investment portfolio.

Insurance[22] companies make money two different ways, by pricing risk well or by investing their cash well. Some companies can do both, but most are better at one or the other — with Greenlight, the focus is definitely on investing, with the hope that their reinsurance business will break even or make a small profit most of the time without exposing them to huge losses… which gives a large cash portfolio for the investment manager to handle. And in this case, the investment manager is one of the best, David Einhorn, whose Greenlight is a prominent and successful hedge fund. Einhorn is also Chair of Greenlight Re, so he’s actively involved in the business, and he gives the reinsurance company a small discount on Greenlight’s hedge fund management fees (the other large hedge fund-connected reinsurer, Dan Loeb’s Third Point Re (TPRE), which I also own, does not get a discount on the management fee).

So David Einhorn manages both the portfolio and the float for Greenlight Re, which — as long as the insurance operations are roughly break-even — means that GLRE shareholders get some leverage[23] on Einhorn’s investing performance, because the investment portfolio is substantially larger than the market cap of the company (the insurance “float”, money GLRE has taken in in premiums but doesn’t yet owe to settle claims, is on the books as a liability — but, like all insurance companies, they get to invest that money while they have it, and keep the investment returns… when a company underwrites at break-even or better, that’s “free” leverage without borrowing money).

That means GLRE (and TPRE too, by the way) usually looks very cheap on an earnings basis because of those often outsize investment returns, but what’s important to my mind is their ability to compound returns — to grow the book value over time, which grows the investment portfolio, which makes more money in the future from that larger base. Book value per share has grown by about 65% over five years at GLRE, but the stock has lost its “premium to book” valuation over the last year or so — during its history GLRE has traded between 1X book and 1.4X book, fluctuating largely based on Einhorn’s lumpy investment performance and on a few very bad quarters of underwriting that depressed returns a couple years ago. That looks like an opportunity to me.

I’ve written about GLRE a great many times for the Irregulars, and I’ve been tempted to add to my holdings this year but haven’t recently done so — right now, I’d argue that it’s cheap largely because reinsurance is a lousy business today, there is too much capacity in the sector, with too much alternative capital from hedge funds[24] and other investors chasing too little reinsurance business. That means there’s no relief in sight for the “soft market” of too-competitive pricing that most insurers have been facing for several years, especially since we’ve gone many years without a big disaster that scares everybody into tighter pricing… but although there is certainly some risk, and many pundits say the industry needs to further consolidate into a few giant players to get better scale, I think there’s still room for small guys like GLRE and TPRE if they can find niches of business to keep the insurance side breaking even. They don’t need to make much money on underwriting like their competitors do, because they should continue to get dramatically better returns on their investment portfolio than does the average insurer or reinsurer (most insurers have much more risk-averse investment portfolios, dominated by fixed income that provides little return now).

So yes, I think GLRE is a pretty easy buy at book value (roughly $32) — particularly if you can hold it for at least several years through lumpy underwriting and investment portfolio performance and let the book value compound. I also like TPRE, which has a stronger “insurance guy” in charge, just started to “break even” on underwriting for the first time, and also trades at book value. It’s an uncertain world, to be sure, and no one likes to see the huge amounts of money that hedge fund guys earn on their incentive fees — but some of them are clearly far better than others, with spectacular records for a decade or more, and I like having some of my money professionally managed… I call it “diversifying away from my own mistakes” and I’d be a very willing buyer of Greenlight Re (GLRE), Third Point Re (TPRE), or Pershing Square Holdings (PSH in Amsterdam, PSHZF OTC) when the price is right, and with GLRE and TPRE at book value and PSH.AS at a small discount to NAV, I think the price is right. Not “jump on the fire sale” right, where you want to borrow money and go crazy to buy this second, but well-priced for the long-term outperformance (15-20% compounded annual returns for at least ten years in each case) that I expect those three fund managers can continue to deliver… and, yes, all three operate without taxation (TPRE in Bermuda, GLRE in the Caymans, PSH.AS in Guernsey), and they don’t pass along dividends or gains to you directly, so they can compound even faster than a standard onshore mutual fund (you do, of course, still owe capital gains taxes if you sell the shares with a gain — but if you stuff these in a coffee can that may be decades down the road).

So there you have it — four ideas from Mayer for your “coffee can,” I’ll throw in the similar Third Point Re and Pershing Square Holdings to make it an even half dozen worthwhile ideas for consideration… but one of those solutions eludes me, and I do, of course, await your opinion with bated breath. If you’ve got thoughts on any of these companies, or on Mayer or the idea of the “forever” portfolio crammed into your coffee can, well, let us have ’em — that’s why we have the friendly little comment box below.

To clarify my disclosures, since I own many of these: I own shares of Greenlight Re (GLRE), Third Point Re (TPRE), Pershing Square Holdings (PSH.AS), and Retail Opportunity Investments Corp (ROIC). I currently have a limit buy order in for Pershing Square Holdings, but otherwise will not trade any of these stocks for at least three days.

Endnotes:
  1. Chris Mayer: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/chris-mayer/
  2. Agora: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/agora/
  3. coffee: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/coffee/
  4. real estate: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/real-estate/
  5. Kennedy Wilson (KW): https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/kw/
  6. Value Investing Congress: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/value-investing-congress/
  7. [Image]: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/free-newsletter-subscription/
  8. dividends: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/dividends/
  9. REITs: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/reits/
  10. Brad Thomas: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/brad-thomas/
  11. Forbes: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/forbes/
  12. Seeking Alpha: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/seeking-alpha/
  13. pitched it as a “buy before it gets acquired” stock: http://www.forbes.com/sites/bradthomas/2015/03/16/pick-up-this-west-coast-gem-before-another-reit-does/
  14. Howard Hughes Corp (HHC): https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/hhc/
  15. Ackman: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/ackman/
  16. Pershing Square: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/pershing-square/
  17. Bill Ackman: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/bill-ackman/
  18. Whitney Tilson: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/whitney-tilson/
  19. check out their presentation of 2014 results and 2015 plans here: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjczNjQxfENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1
  20. David Einhorn: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/david-einhorn/
  21. Greenlight Capital Re (GLRE): https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/glre/
  22. Insurance: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/insurance/
  23. leverage: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/leverage/
  24. hedge funds: https://www.stockgumshoe.com/tag/hedge-funds/

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    Alan Harris
    March 19, 2015 4:33 pm
    $GLRE.L on the pink tab???? Would that be LRE.L?
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      March 19, 2015 5:27 pm
      Did I typo a ticker again? GLRE Greenlight, in NY not London. Though LRE.L is an insurance company that I like and just bought a bit more of, too.
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    imacifm
    March 19, 2015 4:34 pm
    could it be the rothschild fund -RTI?
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    imasimpleton2
    March 19, 2015 5:20 pm
    Travis, you wouldn't throw LCSHF in the mix? I'm up 15% in 3 months. So, thank you very much for that!!
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      March 19, 2015 7:13 pm
      Not as a play on the investment capabilities of insurance companies -- GLRE and TPRE are really hedge funds that use insurance companies to get permanent funding and tax advantages. But yes, as an insurance company Lancashire is fantastic, one of the best underwriting records I've ever seen -- I actually notice that I just had another buy order tripped for that late today when it went down overly far (in my opinion) as it went ex-div today. The last two times I've bought Lancashire were because the stock overreacted on the downside following a dividend -- not terribly unusual for a high-yielding stock. Will cover that in a bit more detail tomorrow.
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        Monv
        April 7, 2015 1:21 pm
        What do you think of Munich Re?
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    Scott
    March 19, 2015 7:05 pm
    HI Travis - excellent article - many thanks. Speaking of Reinsurance companies , have you ever looked @ SwissRe - symbol SSREF ? Nice dividend and per M* , trading @ 0.9 % of book and sales. I simply stumbled across this the other day on Seeking Alpha. Thanks agin for your great, informative articles. Cheers !
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      March 19, 2015 7:10 pm
      I don't know Swiss Re in detail, but it's far larger -- much more of a play on the whole reinsurance industry than it is a play on a particular niche of it, both TPRE and GLRE are 1/20th the size and I like them not primarily because they're in reinsurance (which is a rough business right now) but because they invest differently (and better). Berkshire, Markel, Axis/Partner are all substantial reinsurers, too, that I think are well run, though all of them also have primary insurance to make them less dependent on the broader/wholesale reinsurance business. That's an oversimplification, but the gist of my opinion.If I were to own only one insurance company, it would be Markel -- but it's been hard to catch it at a good price over the past year or so.
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    Roger
    March 19, 2015 7:16 pm
    Isn't this a lot of real estate to just buy and hold? Seems kind of risky.
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      March 19, 2015 7:32 pm
      Yep, certainly if that was your whole portfolio you'd be 3/5ths real estate-related companies (ROIC, HHC and KW). They're all very different kinds of companies -- a distressed investor, a shopping center REIT, a developer/land bank -- but certainly all related to real estate.
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        Darcy
        March 19, 2015 9:43 pm
        do you like BAM?
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          March 19, 2015 9:51 pm
          Haven't looked at them at all lately, but they've been a great company and very profitable asset manager for a long time. Wish I had been prescient enough to buy them during the downturn, if memory serves I glanced at the stock a few times and always (foolishly) thought it looked a bit too pricey.
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    March 19, 2015 7:39 pm
    Here's a comment that a reader sent in regarding the one I couldn't identify:"Peter Hodson is a fan of this Canadian co.; I think it is coffee can # 4 First Capital Realty Inc. (FCR/TSX) This real estate developer and operator has a market cap of $4.1 billion. Its dividend yields 4.5%, and it trades at 18 times earnings, with a one-year return of 14%. In its last quarter, per-share earnings dipped to 18¢ from 20¢, but the dip was largely due to market value adjustments impacting its accounting earnings.The company raised its dividend in July and insiders directly own 1% of the stock, but a related company with common directors owns 44%. "Interesting tidbit: The majority of First Capital’s shopping centres are anchored by food and drug stores, which provides good stability. Earnings barely changed during the financial crisis."
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    Frenchy
    March 19, 2015 7:59 pm
    Pershing Square Holdings (PSH.AS):Hi Travis, thanks again for your awesome sleuthing. Regarding PSP and with the smart money now supposedly heading to Europe, Is that why you are looking to buy it? This could be an interesting play on the QE starting over there?
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      March 19, 2015 8:27 pm
      No, Pershing Square listed their closed-end fund (PSH) in Europe, but it's going to be the same investment strategy and makeup as the other Pershing funds -- mostly buying large cap US stocks. They couldn't list it in the US because of their hedge fund fee structure. I bought because Ackman has a fantastic track record, not correlated too tightly to the broad market, with very good performance in terrible years (only one drawdown, and a small one, despite some big mistakes like JC Penney)... And because it's still possible to buy at a 4-5 percent discount to NAV, and the hedge fund incentive fees will be lower than most people think (probably more like 1.5/15, possibly less). Trades in dollars and listed in Amsterdam, but not likely to invest much, if any, in Europe -- Ackman has been very successful with activism in the US and Canada and will probably keep his focus on this side of the Atlantic.The "smart money" is certainly rushing into Europe, in fear that the US is overvalued and Europe is going to benefit from the kind of bull market we've had for two years -- basically arguing that the ECB will do for the eurozone what the Fed did for the US, and they're two or three years behind us so there should be big gains. That's obviously simplistic and it ignores some real structural problems in Europe, but lots of folks are speculating on growth in Europe, either buying distressed stuff in Spain, Ireland, Greece, Italy, or betting on the big multinational exporters (mostly in Germany) who will benefit from cheap debt, falling euro, and rising exports. The way I've played that is with HEDJ, which I've mentioned a few times over the last six months or so -- has had a nice run and I still have some exposure to it, but I don't know if the euro will keep going down to juice that story. It is, as they say, a "crowded trade" -- but sometimes trades work out even if all the smarties are piled on one side (not always, for sure, but sometimes).
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        alanS
        March 20, 2015 1:44 pm
        WisdomTree has recently added $EUSC, a low-cap (and mid-cap) version of $HEDJ, which WT notes can serve as a complement to $HEDJ. For details, including major holdings, country allocations, etc. see: http://www.etftrends.com/2015/03/hedj-gets-a-small-cap-cousin/ and WT's own description at: http://www.wisdomtree.com/etfs/fund-details.aspx?etfid=107 WT also has a Germany only ETF: $DXGE Alan (the lesser) Long: $EUSC, $HEDJ soon $DXGE
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        March 27, 2015 9:18 am
        I was just re-reading some of the Pershing Square letters because they released their annual report filing this week -- the most interesting and under-reported aspect of the Pershing Square Holdings closed-end fund remains, to me, the dramatically lower fees that investors in this fund are paying.Pershing's hedge fund clients, mostly large institutions and pension funds, typically pay 1.5%/20% fees, presumably. Pershing Square Holdings has a formal structure of 1.5/16, but that 16% incentive fee is also reduced dollar for dollar by 20% of the incentive fees paid by the other Pershing Square funds. Pershing is on record as saying that, given their current capital structure (more than half is in hedge funds/partnerships, about a third is in the publicly traded Pershing Square Holdings closed-end fund, the rest is employees/family and doesn't pay fees), they expect the actual incentive fee to drift down to below 10% in the future.So, buying Bill Ackman's management team, with a strong record of capital preservation and 20% annualized net returns, with a 1.5% annual fee and 10% incentive fee, still seems like a good foundational fund holding to me, largely because of how well it's non-correlated with the S&P 500. Even if the returns decline a bit as the fund grows, which they might (or they might not -- they don't have to hold as much cash for redemptions anymore, and cash depresses returns most of the time), there's some cushion because the fees are also declining (And yes, last year was an anomaly of dramatic outperformance for Pershing -- the year before the S&P was up 30% or so and Pershing Square's funds were up less than 10%).I think Bill Ackman wants to be Warren Buffett, continue to push more capital into this "permanent capital" structure (the hedge fund partnership folks pay higher fees partly because they have redemption rights -- they can get their cash out, though it's tied up for a period of time) and grow this into a holding company 10X the current size over several decades (he's not yet 50) ... but that's probably just my imagination at work.
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    Charles
    March 19, 2015 9:16 pm
    So I got this marketing letter today for the Coffee Can Portfolio. I googled it and Travis did an article on April 8th of 2013 on the same thing. The last comment in that article left by a reader named John Viotto said the five stocks were as follows: The five stocks selected include; 1. Kennedy Wilson ( KW ) 2. Howard Hughes ( HHC ) 3. First Citizens Bancshares ( FCNA ) 4. Greenlight RE ( GLRE ) 5. Retail Opportunity Investments Corp. ( ROIC ) Since you named four of these this time around, I am guessing the one you could not name is First Citizens Bancshares (FCNA). This means that he either hasn't changed his picks from two years ago, or Agora is marketing old information as Travis intimated above.
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      March 19, 2015 9:42 pm
      Could be. And, of course, if you're really going to toss 'em into a can for ten years... well, what's two years between friends?For what it's worth, in the roughly two years since then an investment spread equally among those five would have beaten the S&P 500 pretty handily -- the two I own, GLRE and ROIC, did slightly worse than the S&P (of course), only up 25-30% during that time, FCNCA went up a few percentage points more than the market, and HHC and KW have gone up more like 75%, about twice the performance of the broader market.
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    March 20, 2015 12:30 am
    im a buy and hold nothing like when you havve the rt st ocks, such as nisource ni 100sh now 600 or warner lambert noe pfe 100sh to a thousand bestof all five sh of comsat to 50sh of lmt
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    Vic Bowman
    March 20, 2015 1:07 am
    I don't see a dividend amount listed anywhere I research stocks for lancashire. Could you explain that? Thanks, Vic
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    fedwatcher
    March 20, 2015 2:35 am
    Sounds like a very dumb tease. If you buy into it then you buy the five stocks and cancel your subscription. You have a diversified portfolio so what do you need them for UNLESS you still need to invest money elsewhere.But then again they will continually feed you new BS teases hopping you will bite.
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    hendrixnuzzles
    March 20, 2015 2:31 pm
    Dear Travis,Thank you very much for your research and opinions. I know nothing about this sector but would like to diversify into it. Will take a closer look at all these except for ROIC...don't believe US retail has a great outlook.Do you have an opinion on ARE ?
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      March 20, 2015 5:19 pm
      I've never looked at it, sure has had a nice run. I think they specialize in lab/R&D facilities for biotech companies, there's also BMR in that space if you want a comparison. The one concern that I'd have off the bat is that a lot of these are purpose-built facilities without easy customers if a "cluster" of biotech research in a particular area gets upset by a big acquisition -- and there are acquisitions in biotech all the time, many of which involve shutting down redundant facilities.
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        hendrixnuzzles
        March 22, 2015 9:53 pm
        Thank you very much for your response. Will do some comps with BMR and some additional DD on ARE.Yes my understanding is that ARE specializes in technically equipped and advanced rental properties and targets dense markets with multiple potential users.
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          hendrixnuzzles
          March 22, 2015 11:14 pm
          Dear Travis,Just scanning the numbers, BMR shows a better picture as ARE is very pricey with some fancy multiples on P/E and other measures. The two have tended to track each other pretty well...except for the last few weeks where there has been a marked divergence...ARE has continued to march to all-time highs, and BMR took a nasty fall from which it is just now recovering.There have been some insider sales on ARE recently, notably by the CEO Markus; the quantities are quite small in relation to his total position of over 500,000 shares.Both companies have over 90% occupancy and margins in the high 60% range. ARE has a slight edge on these metrics. There is a significant short interest in BMR...less so with ARE.One could just say that comparatively speaking, ARE is expensive, and leave it at that. But...and it is a big BUT...to my inexperienced eye, there are some key differences:Alexandria seems to have a very targeted site, approach insofar as they are heavily concentrated in a handful of super prime locations, building "campuses" in centers of innovation that create synergies for a wide range of players. The quality of their tenants and properties looks superb...their top tenants are a Who's Who of big cap biotechs and top hospitals and researchers. Not that BMR's tenants or properties are weak by any means...BMR's properties look like quality, but they are much more spread out than ARE's. If there are acquisitions and mergers, it seems to me that ARE's customers are going to expand rather than churn.The other main difference, and this possibly accounts for the differences in multiples and valuations, is that Alexandia has a subsidiary venture capital arm that is getting involved with some of its tenants in non-traditional landlord/tenant contracts. Two recent news releases showed them financing one of their biotech tenants, and going into a joint venture with Uber on a San Francisco property. So I guess they are looking into the business, technology and science of their customers, and taking positions...or offering financing...or getting financing...wherever and whenever they see compelling opportunity. So we may have a hybrid REIT/tech-bio hedge fund on our hands.Anyway all those pharma guys I read about in Dr KSS' articles have to go somewhere... think BMR...and all the big boys have to expand when they buy out the little guys...think ARE...
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            hendrixnuzzles
            March 22, 2015 11:37 pm
            Found that Alexandria Venture, subsidiary of Alexandria Realty Trust, has made the following biomed investments, mostly "series B" capital:March '15 $ 21 MM Aura Biosciences Oct' 14 $ 53 MM Syros Pharmaceuticals Oct '14 $ 30 MM Visterra June '14 $ 10MM Seres Health Jan '14 $ 13MM Atara Biosciences Oct "13 $ 10 MM Cydan Jan '14 $ 25MM VtesseTotal $ 162 MM. So we've got a REIT cum bio hedge fund.
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    Robert Satchell
    March 21, 2015 8:56 am
    Travis, the bank which was teased just may be FCNCA, a "family bank" that has always looked kinda pricey to me.
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    Dave S.
    May 3, 2018 11:15 am
    Here we are 3 years later. How have these stocks done? GLRE -54% HHC -15% KW -23% ROIC +6% TPRE -11%Average g/l: -19.2%
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      Dave S.
      May 3, 2018 11:24 am
      The figures don't include divs for KW and ROIC, which would put ROIC even further ahead of the rest (by perhaps 12-15 additional %).
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    May 3, 2018 4:09 pm
    Here's the total return chart for those four, plus the S&P -- the S&P is in purple and beat them all, though ROIC did hold its own until last year (portfolio update: I stopped out of ROIC a while back, and stopped out of GLRE a long time ago -- just recently bought KW for the first time).https://media.ycharts.com/charts/c6d32bcf942cd0c418a134ad7123a6b7.pngTotal Return Price data by YCharts
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      Dave S.
      May 3, 2018 5:18 pm
      Thus makingd it clear that the better buy&hold forever is SPY.
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        May 3, 2018 6:58 pm
        Usually true... at least you’ll get an market return, which is much better than the actual average investor return.
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    htl3721
    July 18, 2020 9:38 am
    as of July 2020, 5 years later, NONE of the 4 named has gone higher.
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